This morning the +Steve Kornacki programs was a disaster. I
usually enjoy listening to guests’ give and take in a panel discussion format
moderated by #Kornacki. The guests are usually intellectuals, college professors
and the like, or highly respected journalists. Except for +E. J. Dionne, that
was not the case this morning. Dionne is a columnist for the Washington Post
and is a senior fellow in Governance Studies at the Brookings Institute. The
subject was the nature of the Obama response to ISIS. +Patrick Murphy, an ex democratic
representative from the state of Pennsylvania was one of the guests. His claim
to fame was that he was the first veteran of the Afghanistan war elected to
congress.
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Principally, Kornacki was saying that a poll indicating 72%
of Americans believe we will have “boots on the ground” fighting ISIS. He was
making the point that +Obama lied when he said there, “will be no boots on the
ground”. He was saying, and his guest supported his contention that Obama campaigned
for peace and the American people elected him on that basis but now he is the
same as +George W. Bush and wants war. I find this scary, really scary because it
seems as if many people believe this is to be case. Think about congress voting
on this issue with that understanding of what the American people want and what
the #President said. OMG!
I have been around intellectuals all my life and know how
easy it is to misunderstand people who do not talking in simple subject-verb
sentences. The President did say that there would be no “boots on the ground”. Since
then that expression has become a greatly overused trope. What the President
said was there would be no “U.S. troops” on the ground. He went on to explain that we learned from previous
wars, (Vietnam and Korean), that if people are not willing to fight for their
own freedom, the war will be lost to those seeking dictatorial power. Stated
another way, it is nation building but it is the people of those nations who
are building their own nation just as we built our nations. This is the foundations
of the entire +Arab Spring movements. This means that #Iraqis and #Syrians must
fight for their own freedom or they will lose. By extension, it also means that
if #Britain and #France and other Arabic nations sending in troops, it is just
as wrong as it is for U.S. troops to be there fighting for something the people
are not willing to fight for—the lesion learned in #Vietnam.
Look at the poll results cited above and the interpretations
of it by the guests. What the results say is that 72% of American People think
there will be boots on the “ground” but says nothing about hat they want. The
President said it would take boot on the ground to win against ISIS but carefully
explained—perhaps too carefully—that he meant no foreigners’ boots. Think back to Osama bin Laden major claim
against the U. S., it was that we had “our” soldiers “boot” on Muslim
territory. Think back to the Dick Cheney and George W. Bush war on Iraq. They
wanted to take over the Iraqi government and turn it into a U. S. puppet government
beholden to American business interests—oil interests. The president learned from this just as he
learned from Vietnam and Korea. Eventually,
E. J. Dionne came on and tried to talk reason but the Kornacki-Murphy nonsense drowned
him out.
My fear is that what happened on the program this morning
would be what would happen in our House of Representatives, especially when we
couple this with the groundless ingrained hate for Obama held by the
Republicans. Remember, this “hate” has driven the House of Representatives into
inactions on everything making it the worst congress ever in the history of
this nation. The strange ways of politics have been revealed by having polls
indicate the people want to elect Republican controlled the Senate; apparently
they want even more government incompetence—go figure.
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I still don't feel you answered my question. You may think my question wasn't important but I feel it was legitimate. So I'll reword it, let me state that it is completely information seeking. Although it may come off as challenging Since I do feel different politically, I am truly curious to understand your thoughts behind the following.
ReplyDeleteI understand the ideology that you believe when Obama stated "no boots on the ground" meaning it is there fight to win or lose.
But if that is our commander and chiefs ideology, then should we be in favor of one side or another and assisting with air raids, bombing of specific targets, and providing training and/or weapons to a specific side.
I would believe there is some reason for bombing only specific targets, would you not? Unless all the news are frabricating a story of the US and Britain bombing in Syria.
Are we only substituting boots for bombs?
Do our bombs not land on Muslim territory? That you described what Bush/Cheney did?
I just have trouble seeing how we are allowing them to fight their own civil war if we have been doing bombs.
If you could please elaborate on the bombings of ISIS targets cause you stated "The President said it would take boot on the ground to win against ISIS but carefully explained—perhaps too carefully—that he meant no foreigners’ boots."
When foreigner bombs are even better...
Thank you for your comment. It is a serious and well-formulated comment and therefore important. The fact that it is challenging makes it interesting. I am a little confused by your saying you don’t feel I have answered your question. I don’t know what your questions was perhaps because the title “anonymous” is not a specific identifier as a internet name would be; I don’t want to know your real name.
DeleteMy interpretation is that our commander in chief’s ideology is that Iraqis have to be the one to defeat ISIS but that does not mean it isn’t in our best interest to help. As the president said, “It will take boots on the ground to defeat ISIS but they have to be Iraqi boots”; that is the lesson he learned from Vietnam and Korea. Unfortunately, that is the lesson not learned by many politicians from both parties. A lot of “us” died in Korea and in Vietnam, (I was in Korea for two tours, no hero stuff) but the people in those countries did not fight; we had no functioning government to hand liberated territory. Obama is trying to prevent us from making that same mistake in Iraq.
When you add Iraqi (Bush II) and Afghanistan to the list, the American people are tired of fighting wars that go nowhere. Bush I, got it right; you seldom hear that war mentioned. If the Iraqi people do not form a stable nonsectarian government; neither a Sunni nor a Shia dictatorship or caliphate as Maliki did, but form a government in the spirit of the Arab Spring; then we are wasting even our bombs. Better, we waste just bombs.
Yes, bombing is an act of war, and yes, the bombs are being dropped on Muslim territory but that is far different from our or French, British, or even Turkish soldiers boots on the ground. In addition, pilots are risking their lives, but it is obviously not the same as being in a rifle company in the ground. In respect to Bush and Cheney, business interests drove them; they, with Paul Bremer, were trying to turn that country into hegemony. Good heavens, they brazenly called it Operation Iraqi Liberations, oil for short, and named Bremer to serve as, as, “Head of State of the Government of Iraq. What can be worse for nationalists to hear in a sovereign nation than that?
Please tell me in your response where I am going wrong in my thinking.